Archive for July, 2001

July 31, 2001

Newsletter July 2001

Mike Fahle (Mikefahle) on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 – 09:58 pm:

Hi Everyone, This is just a short note to follow-up the last one with more details.

MAIN SAIL ORDERS – The following are the people I have heard from who want a new, fuller sail from Mystere for $455 U.S. with battens and numbers:

Joe Tracey, Mike Fahle, Glen Blohm, Paul Steed, Dennis Elliot, Kitsy Amrhein, Uwe Eickert, Bob Cella, Brad Culbert, Matt Wirth, Jamie Diamond,
and Dave Fort.

Yves Sansoucy wants a $100 deposit for each sail so send a check to me made out to Mystere International for $100 U.S. (write that on the check) to me by next Thursday. I will send the list and checks to Yves next Friday morning,
August 10, for delivery the weekend after that. You can pay the balance to Yves directly at PCYC on delivery. Also, send me the sail number you want on your sail. If there is any delivery charge it will be minimal; if we have boat orders there will be no charge. And yes, these sails are
significantly faster and they will not be obsoleted with the new class rules; just the opposite, they will be protected by the new rules.

BOAT ORDERS – Yves can bring down three new 4.3s with everything (yes, with fuller mainsails) for $3800 U.S. delivered. I had heard people were looking for more boats but have not had any orders yet. It would be a shame to waste this opportunity to get more boats down here for a good price. Anyone who wants one should e-mail me to that effect and send a check for $1000
U.S. made out to Mystere International for a down payment with the balance due at delivery at PCYC. If no one orders a boat, Yves will not bring any. Yves WILL bring a 5.0 with spinnaker and snuffer for us to see and sail, if interested. It will sell for $5200 U.S. and $200 for delivery. It will be a bigger version of the 4.3 and Yves tells me that it is about the same
weight as the 4.3 because of a different core material and it is still rightable by someone my size (170#). If you know of someone who wants to
purchase that boat, the same is needed as for the 4.3s – an e-mail to me and a check for $1000 made out to Mystere. BTW, try to find any other new 16 footer on the market for anywhere close to that price, even w/o a spinnaker and snuffer!

SAILBOX DIMENSIONS – Yves can bring the large fiberglass sailboxes that were seen at the original delivery. They are $250 U.S. and have a slight taper, but the dimensions at the top are: 123.5″ Long, 14″ High, 30.5″ Wide. If you want one of these, e-mail me.

DEADLINE – I need e-mails ASAP (so that Yves knows what to make and deliver) and down payment checks by Thursday, August 9th. That means if you
are attending Bay Week you need to order and mail a check before you leave.

PCYC on August 19th – DO NOT MISS THIS ONE!


July 28, 2001

Newsletter July 2001

Mike Fahle (Mikefahle) on Saturday, July 28, 2001 – 12:46 pm:

Hi everyone, Jamie Diamond has asked that we discuss a mainsail measurement rule this weekend at the OCRA Geneva regatta so that we can all get whatever we want and still be racing “even-up”. Today I have finished modifying my mainsail into a VERY full main (hopefully, too full) and will bring it to the regatta and also the one that Yves sent me earlier which is probably pretty close to what we all want and is definitely faster than the original flat mains. We can all look at these sails and compare on the shore and on the water. Jamie asked if he could sail two races with the VERY full one and I had said “Yes” but I have changed my mind. In the interest of fairness and more exposure, I have decided to offer to exchange boats with any other Mystere 4.3 racers after each race. This will allow Jamie and others to try the mainsail “in action” if they want. I will also allow anyone who wants it to use the other mainsail I am bringing and hopefully they would “round-robin” their boat as well. Recently, Glen Blohm, Dave Sullivan, and I did this in a local regatta to learn if there was a difference in sails and what effect it would have on the racing. It was instructive and certainly was the epitome of one-design racing! I just
hope we can figure out a way to make the scoring work out but that should not be an impossible hurdle. At any rate, we intend to learn as much as we can so that we can discuss the designs and offer a proposal for all the owners to comment and vote on so that everyone knows what to expect from the sail development process.

I chose to double the luff curve of the sail that Yves sent down in the hope that it would prove to be too full so that we know the limit on the other end of the draft spectrum (the original French-dictated shape being at the flat end). After seeing it set this evening next to Yves’s sail and an original flat one (it is handy sometimes to have a fleet outside the door), the study in contrast was reminiscent of Goldilocks’s comments. I am convinced that it is very full but not convinced that it will be slower. It is almost certainly going to be faster on a reach or downwind without a spinnaker so this weekend’s testing will be very useful to our understanding of how much draft is good for different conditions, sail configurations, wind angles, and crew weights. With this knowledge collected and communicated, the intent is to allow the owners to tailor their mainsail modifications or new orders to their weight and/or sailing conditions. This will allow for the racing to be one-design while affording some equalization on the basis of crew weight so that the boat has broader appeal and higher speed potential. The trick is to do this while also affording an easily understood and applied measurement system so that any sail can be
conveniently checked to conform to class limits.

I hope as many of you as possible will come join us this weekend. I have already taken some photos and will take more this weekend and will ask Mike Teets to post them on the website as soon as they are available. I will also try to explain anything about this process that is unclear to anyone needing more information and will try to communicate what we do to all of you and make sure that you all have a chance to provide your input. I am committed to this being an owner-driven class with everyone having a voice and a vote in whatever rules we apply to the boats. It does seem like a good time to start defining what we want regarding the mainsails since we can soon order new ones at a very good price from Mystere and others with bigger budgets can explore the offerings of other sailmakers. With this effort completed we can each get what we want and still have one-design racing. Having all possible sailmakers able to make sails for us only enhances the long-term value of the boats, promotes controlled speed developments, and allows some personalization of our purchases. It also opens up boat marketing and regatta sponsorship opportunities.

Feel free to provide your input to me or post comments on the discussion board on the owners’ website. Stay tuned!


July 27, 2001

7/27/01 Newsletter

Mike Fahle (Mikefahle) on Friday, July 27, 2001 – 11:35 am:

Hi everyone, I spoke with Yves Sansoucy last night and have exciting news to report:

Yves will attend the gathering at PCYC on Sunday, August 19th. He will bring a new port hull for Dennis Elliot (WARNING! Do not let Hobie 16s sail into the middle of your hulls!) and he has a trailer large enough to bring all the new and fuller mainsails that we want to order. It will also allow him to bring three new Mystere 4.3s and a Mystere 5.0.

MAINSAILS: We have learned from testing and racing that the medium full mainsails that Yves makes are significantly faster all-around than the flat ones we got with the boat and the very full one modified from my original flat sail. I previously wrote to you that the sails with battens would cost $455 U.S. plus delivery. Well, if any new boats are sold for Yves to bring down, there will be no delivery charges for the sails! So far the people who have ordered a new sail are:

Joe Tracey, Uwe Eickert, Paul Steed, Dennis Elliot, Glen Blohm, Mike Fahle.

Please contact me ASAP if you want one also. Besides being a faster sail for most conditions (very windy will be good for the flat sail), this is a bargain price, just ask other sailmakers for some quotes if you want to see how much (my guess is about half price)! Jamie Diamond will be posting the measurements that we took this past weekend at Geneva and will include a proposal for all of you to comment on for setting sail size for the class so that we can go ahead and order new sails without worry that later on someone will use bigger ones. The measurements we are offering are only a little larger than the original which allows the larger luff curve for the deeper draft that is proving faster. Jamie will explain it in more detail.

Many of us have had people inquire about getting boats. Well, here is their chance to get one at a price that is still a bargain! The new boats are $3600 U.S. with all the goodies as we got ours, plus $200 for delivery. This matches the delivery price per boat that we got for thirty! If we sell all three boats that Yves can deliver, we will have 3 more to “play” with AND get free delivery on the mainsails!

Yves also will have a Mystere 5.0 to show us and for sailing. (Joe, this may be the ideal boat for you!). It is a larger version of the 4.3 that is still rightable by one average sized person but has more freeboard for the big lake and more buoyancy for doubling-up. Should be interesting!

The last item is near and dear to at least Glen Blohm. Yves may have room for some of those cool sail boxes, too, like the ones he brought at the original delivery in April. These are just $250 U.S. (yes, that is another bargain price!) and anyone interested in them should let me know so that we can try to get them delivered also!

Don’t forget that the PCYC event on the 19th is intended as a hands-on seminar / social event / race for all of us to learn more about the boat and each other while having fun. Anything that Doug Young organizes is easily worth attending!

Lots to think about here, so mull it over and get back to me soon so that I can let Yves know what to make and bring to us. It makes me happy to be able to pass on such good news! 🙂


P.S. Just to be clear, all the prices reflect a manufacturer-direct-to-purchaser-ONLY relationship. There are no other charges involved which is part of the reason they are so low. As before, I remain a volunteer coordinator, like Mike Teets does for creating and maintaining our website!